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(laughter) but we may be leaving afghanistan within the next 50 or 60 years. (laughter) and if that occurs, what is pakistan's interest in the taliban in that, you know, what is the situation that, as you see it with our maybe pulling back a little bit? >> that's a serious issue to be considered, especially to... it will have implications on pakistan. if you quit in 2014, whatever has been declared, obviously the best strategy for the taliban or the enemy, al qaeda and taliban, is to lie low, let time pass, and then rise again. so declaring... giving a timeline, i have always been saying that it ought to be effected, what effects do we want to create? you can't have it time related because then you'll be in the hands of the enemy, i would say. and if you leave in 2014 without stabilizing afghanistan, what will happen then? we need to visualize. >> well, the problem is... the difficulty i think for america is afghanistan hasn't been stable since, i guess, hannibal. (laughter) so the idea that we could stay there... (laughter). they don't appear to want to be st
(laughter) but we may be leaving afghanistan within the next 50 or 60 years. (laughter) and if that occurs, what is pakistan's interest in the taliban in that, you know, what is the situation that, as you see it with our maybe pulling back a little bit? >> that's a serious issue to be considered, especially to... it will have implications on pakistan. if you quit in 2014, whatever has been declared, obviously the best strategy for the taliban or the enemy, al qaeda and taliban, is to lie...
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troops in afghanistan when the taliban attack. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in the situation room. a special gathering to tackle america's serious economic problems. key figures from government, business and academia came together this week in chicago for the clinton global might be difference america conference. the event was the brainchild of former president bill clinton. i sat down with him in chicago for a candid interview on the country's debt crisis, the 2012 presidential race, and much more. >> mr. president, thanks very much for joining us. good to be here. first time you've done this as far as the u.s. economy is concerned. normally it's global issues. and i want to get to that, but let's talk about some of the big issues right now. jobs, jobs, jobs. it's a crisis, a game of chicken going on in washington right now between the president, the did democrats on one side, republican leadership on the other side. how big of a deal is this august 2nd deadlin
troops in afghanistan when the taliban attack. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in the situation room. a special gathering to tackle america's serious economic problems. key figures from government, business and academia came together this week in chicago for the clinton global might be difference america conference. the event was the brainchild of former president bill clinton. i sat down with him in chicago for a candid...
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two women in an allout brawl in afghanistan's parliament. one lawmaker threw her shoe. the other threw a water battle. >> we thought the fighting in washington was bad. >> wow. this's something you don't see every day. >> a mexican man convicted of rape and murder is about to be executing in texas, but obama administration says that could put many americans in danger. and are prosecutors any closer to dropping assault charges against the former head of the international monetary fund? ♪ ♪ look at that car, well, it goes fast ♪ ♪ givin' my dad a heart attack ♪ [ friend ] that is so awesome. ♪ i love my car [ engine revving ] [ male announcer ] that first chevy, yea, it gets under your skin. ♪ before i started taking abilify, i was taking an antidepressant alone. most days i could put on a brave face and muddle through. but other days i still struggled with my depression. i was managing, but it always had a way of creeping up on me. i felt stuck. i just couldn't shake my depression. so i talked to my doctor. he said adding abilify to my antidepressant could
two women in an allout brawl in afghanistan's parliament. one lawmaker threw her shoe. the other threw a water battle. >> we thought the fighting in washington was bad. >> wow. this's something you don't see every day. >> a mexican man convicted of rape and murder is about to be executing in texas, but obama administration says that could put many americans in danger. and are prosecutors any closer to dropping assault charges against the former head of the international...
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basically, how do you avoid the pitfalls of vietnam in afghanistan. >> he inherited afghanistan and iraq the way nixon inherited vietnam, 535,000 troops in vietnam when he got into the white house. bush i learned the lessons. there was a big push from the neoconservatives to go to baghdad. bush i did that and said this is what everybody signed on for. we are stopping at the iraqi border. he got the lesson right. >> for the record, george w. bush spit out his coffee and wept for it. marvin, go ahead. >> i agree with you, pat. the relevant point is vietnam was in his point. he did not want to go too far or get trapped in baghdad. this is one of the most fascinating things, you can get in on the act, too. the way one of the presidents after another, vietnam sits there just hanging around and even if you wanted to dump it, you couldn't. >> i asked obama about this a year ago and he maintains he's free of the vietnam. >> i agree with you. he's the one sitting there saying i'm not doing ten years. i'm not doing $1 trillion. it's about vietnam. it's about getting into a steal mate. >> yet, we s
basically, how do you avoid the pitfalls of vietnam in afghanistan. >> he inherited afghanistan and iraq the way nixon inherited vietnam, 535,000 troops in vietnam when he got into the white house. bush i learned the lessons. there was a big push from the neoconservatives to go to baghdad. bush i did that and said this is what everybody signed on for. we are stopping at the iraqi border. he got the lesson right. >> for the record, george w. bush spit out his coffee and wept for it....
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is our mission done in afghanistan? >> no. no. >> why not? we got the folks that did it? >> our mission is not to capture and bring bin laden to justice, although that was a big part of it, and i commend president bush and particularly president obama for having carried it out. that was one of the high points of his presidency for which he will always get credit historically, whether he wins or loses re-election, and it was a gutsy decision, and he carried it out 100%. the mission in afghanistan is to create a stability there so they don't threaten us in the future, so that doesn't become again the breeding ground for attacks on america the way it was in 2001. we're not there yet. afghanistan is in a state of chaos and confusion, and not in a state where we can say in good conscience where we put it in a situation where we don't need to be there to protect ourselves. and somebody has to explain to the american people that we need to be in that region of the world for the indefinite future, without time limits. far more effective would be you put in the troops and you don'
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thanks so much, geoff. >>> we want to turn now to a developing story in afghanistan. the taliban claiming responsibility for a suicide attack in kandahar that has killed that city's mayor, the second assassination of a top official in the southern taliban stronghold just this month comes just two weeks after the killing of the half brother of president hamid karzai. the late mayor had been mentioned as a possible successor to karzai's brother. the spokesman said the mayor had been a target for a long time and was attacked to avenge the death of two children who they claim were killed during demolition work in the city. >>> still ahead onw "way too early." a play at the plate in the 19th inning where the umpire quite simply wanted to get back to the hotel and go to bed. wait till you see this one. >>> and we continue our celebration of the second anniversary of "way too early" with a look at some of the great moments of the last year and a mystery celebrity caller who's up watching this program each and every morning. we'll get her on the phone and get a check on weath
thanks so much, geoff. >>> we want to turn now to a developing story in afghanistan. the taliban claiming responsibility for a suicide attack in kandahar that has killed that city's mayor, the second assassination of a top official in the southern taliban stronghold just this month comes just two weeks after the killing of the half brother of president hamid karzai. the late mayor had been mentioned as a possible successor to karzai's brother. the spokesman said the mayor had been a...
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. >> let's take a look at afghanistan, as a piece of that. under bush, we had about 30,000 troops there. that was tripled during the obama administration. so two-thirds of the cost of afghanistan was put into place under obama. >> hang on, hang on, hang on, it wasn't president obama that took america into war in afghanistan. >> you asked for percentage. >> i'm talking about if you analyze the percentage of blame here, then surely you have to go back to decisions that were taken which helped collectively to create this crisis. although you keep presenting other arguments, give me a straight percentage. what percentage of blame, as we stand here today, should be apportioned to republican decision making? >> well, again, you just asked about a number and i said of the cost of the afghan war, the whole afghan war today -- >> why are you avoiding my question. >> is $20 billion. i'm trying to give you a percentage of for instance the afghan war, two-thirds of the cost there this year was put in by obama. that's one piece of the puzzle. >> but 100%
. >> let's take a look at afghanistan, as a piece of that. under bush, we had about 30,000 troops there. that was tripled during the obama administration. so two-thirds of the cost of afghanistan was put into place under obama. >> hang on, hang on, hang on, it wasn't president obama that took america into war in afghanistan. >> you asked for percentage. >> i'm talking about if you analyze the percentage of blame here, then surely you have to go back to decisions that...
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> jon: which came on the heels of an almost absurdly reckless decade with unfunded wars in iraq and afghanistan and unfunded trillion-dollar medical prescription bill and tax cuts for the well they are the largest single policy contributor to our deficit. in fact, i myself voted for all of these... back to my original point. (cheers and applause) obama! now, look, i'm not an economist, but i do have one area of expertise that i believe i can refute speaker boehner on. >> here's what we got for that massive spending binge. a new health care bill that most americans never asked for. a stimulus bill that's more effective in producing material for late-night comedians than it was in producing jobs. (audience reacts). >> jon: no, that is so true! that is so true! 125 that stimulus bill gave us so much material. here's another stimulus humdinger i came up with this morning while i was listening to bloomberg radio. "hey, how about this manufacturing sector with underutilized capacity, huh? am i right? i don't know if we're stimulating demand through increased credit availability or just cutting losses
> jon: which came on the heels of an almost absurdly reckless decade with unfunded wars in iraq and afghanistan and unfunded trillion-dollar medical prescription bill and tax cuts for the well they are the largest single policy contributor to our deficit. in fact, i myself voted for all of these... back to my original point. (cheers and applause) obama! now, look, i'm not an economist, but i do have one area of expertise that i believe i can refute speaker boehner on. >> here's what we...
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we talked about all sorts of things like afghanistan. other such places. you saw the soldiers yesterday and i asked david plouffe, desperately asking their commander, admiral mullin, whether they will get paid. and he said i can't tell you. >> i can. i can tell them. here's what i would have said, i would have said, not only are you going to get paid. admiral mullin said the number one national security issue facing this s untry is debt. and i wish we would have followed on with what we said. if you believe we're so far in debt, we'll become a weak country and can't afford to defend ourselves, i would have told the marines, you are going to get paid but, by god, change the reason your children don't have the american dream. young man, we'll pay you, but we'll change washington so your country doesn't become weak and ineffective and have more debt than your children can afford to pay. that's what i would have told them. >> you must also worry about the way the world is seeing this country right now. i mean -- >> i'm not worried about democracy. >> they say
we talked about all sorts of things like afghanistan. other such places. you saw the soldiers yesterday and i asked david plouffe, desperately asking their commander, admiral mullin, whether they will get paid. and he said i can't tell you. >> i can. i can tell them. here's what i would have said, i would have said, not only are you going to get paid. admiral mullin said the number one national security issue facing this s untry is debt. and i wish we would have followed on with what we...
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>> corruption is happening at the highest level in the government of afghanistan. i want the international community to put more pressure on high political authorities. >> u.s. senators do too and they are pushing the head of military operations in afghanistan to keep an eye on the money. >> the karzai government and other people in afghanistan are trying to cover up the extent of the fraud and manipulation in the bank. >> they forced the fund to cutoff the credit line and the country is losing a valuable source of funding as the u.s. and allies begin a huge transition process to pull up. >> there were american funds flowing through to the contractors in many provinces of afghanistan including kandahar. >> the part of the bank that pays afghan police salaries, that's split off from the loan department and that part pathat pays police is still functioning. the imf is not restarting their donor program because there concerns there and now we hear there is a second bank, another bank under scrutiny. >> good report. thanks very much. president obama accused of using cl
>> corruption is happening at the highest level in the government of afghanistan. i want the international community to put more pressure on high political authorities. >> u.s. senators do too and they are pushing the head of military operations in afghanistan to keep an eye on the money. >> the karzai government and other people in afghanistan are trying to cover up the extent of the fraud and manipulation in the bank. >> they forced the fund to cutoff the credit line...
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it can proje power militarily so in afghanistan and libya. president sarkozy is wanting the g-8 this year but it' only the size of texas and with an economy that's probably the size ofalifnia. >> charlie: yes. how is he doing? president sarkozy. >> we're in a period of track cision, in part because of what happened because of -- who could have been the social es party candidate and wa leading inhe poll in any combination >> charlie: against sarkozy. >> exactly. it's out of the picture. even though tzar -- tzar sarkozy -- >> charlie: at the likely to be the nominee. >> no clue. i would like to see francois who is really smart and funny and not seductive enough for the french people. >> charlie: he was head of the socialist party and his wife, n his wife -- >> father of their four children. >> charlie: she got the nomination. >> right. >> charlie: is she still going to run or not? theye no longetogether and he could be running and she could be running and they were -- >> she would like to run again. but there's another woman in the picture who
it can proje power militarily so in afghanistan and libya. president sarkozy is wanting the g-8 this year but it' only the size of texas and with an economy that's probably the size ofalifnia. >> charlie: yes. how is he doing? president sarkozy. >> we're in a period of track cision, in part because of what happened because of -- who could have been the social es party candidate and wa leading inhe poll in any combination >> charlie: against sarkozy. >> exactly. it's out...
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it would have negative effects on jobs in baghdad, kabul, kandahar, in other parts of the iraq and afghanistan. and the irony of course is that we are being told that we are in this terrible crisis, when the republicans brought out a military bill that increased the military by $17 billion, gives more money to iraq and afghanistan, and i have to say i am very nervous that the president might agree to keep troops in iraq next year, which is longer than george bush wanted to keep them there. so, yeah, i think we can in the short-term save a lot of money by bringing the troops home with no negative job impact. but to get back to your question, what mr. bernanke said correctly is, yes, over the long-term, you should have a plan for deficit reduction from both higher taxes in my judgment and spending cuts. but in the short-term, if you were to do that, you would slow down the recovery. and that's why it's a timing issue. >> in terms of what you just said there about defense cuts, and what might be possible in this congress, i feel like the things that i have heard from republicans that seem like th
it would have negative effects on jobs in baghdad, kabul, kandahar, in other parts of the iraq and afghanistan. and the irony of course is that we are being told that we are in this terrible crisis, when the republicans brought out a military bill that increased the military by $17 billion, gives more money to iraq and afghanistan, and i have to say i am very nervous that the president might agree to keep troops in iraq next year, which is longer than george bush wanted to keep them there. so,...
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this period, manning either uploaded or handed off two large data files, the war logs from iraq and afghanistan. >> we don't really know whether manning approached wikileaks or people around wikileaks, or if it was the other way around. but my theory is, whichever way it is, there's an intermediary. there's a group of people in the middle, probably these people in cambridge, massachusetts, who are kind of former computer hackers, many of whom are supporters and are kind of in this loose network of people who support wikileaks. so somewhere in this mix, you have manning with access to this information; you've got wikileaks and julian assange with the desire to get it; and you've got a helpful intermediary. and somewhere in between here, there's a transfer i believe takes place. >> smith: the question of how assange acquired the documents is important. was assange a passive recipient, or was he more involved? >> i think assange is savvy enough that he would have tried to avoid, at all costs, any direct contact with... with bradley manning, understanding that could later lead to a much easier pros
this period, manning either uploaded or handed off two large data files, the war logs from iraq and afghanistan. >> we don't really know whether manning approached wikileaks or people around wikileaks, or if it was the other way around. but my theory is, whichever way it is, there's an intermediary. there's a group of people in the middle, probably these people in cambridge, massachusetts, who are kind of former computer hackers, many of whom are supporters and are kind of in this loose...
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afghanistan is a distraction. one thing about afghanistan, when you had the attacks on the hotel, it went back to vietnam. it's a reminder the people we are working with in afghanistan, given what they get out of pakistan, they will not be able to turn the corner. we continue to invest enormously there. >> howard dean? >> afghanistan, because of the leadership there, no matter what we do, it doesn't matter. karzai is hopeless. i'm more optimistic. if you look at it over many, many years, tunisia is a bright star. egypt is not going to be a democracy in the way we know it. yemen is a huge problem. libya, who knows. i think there's progress that's been made here. i agree there's a lot of countries not making progress. syria, who knows what's going to happen. there will be real gains. >> i kind of agree with governor dean. in yemen, if we have what you describe, the potential for ungovernable state, it will become a petri dish of groups. they may be highly dysfunctional, but not failed. how does the u.s. not send som
afghanistan is a distraction. one thing about afghanistan, when you had the attacks on the hotel, it went back to vietnam. it's a reminder the people we are working with in afghanistan, given what they get out of pakistan, they will not be able to turn the corner. we continue to invest enormously there. >> howard dean? >> afghanistan, because of the leadership there, no matter what we do, it doesn't matter. karzai is hopeless. i'm more optimistic. if you look at it over many, many...
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i want to move on to afghanistan. you had a very interesting piece in "the new york times" in which you said that the administration should take its cues in terms of its withdraw in afghanistan from nixon and kissinger's withdrawal from vietnam. that is not usually looked upon as a model of success. so explain what you meant. >> nixon and kissinger tried to extricate the united states from the war in vietnam. they knew they weren't going to win. they were going to lose. they tried to tiptoe away and leave the local parties to keep fighting by themselves. it almost worked. but after the u.s. got out, the whole house of cards came falling down because congress wouldn't let the government support saigon because the local parties weren't able to defend themselves and so forth. i think essentially, if the obama administration can tiptoe out of the ground combat in afghanistan while continuing to support the regime in kabul and continuing to bash the enemies and so forth, essentially you could get extrication even as essent
i want to move on to afghanistan. you had a very interesting piece in "the new york times" in which you said that the administration should take its cues in terms of its withdraw in afghanistan from nixon and kissinger's withdrawal from vietnam. that is not usually looked upon as a model of success. so explain what you meant. >> nixon and kissinger tried to extricate the united states from the war in vietnam. they knew they weren't going to win. they were going to lose. they...
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they will never be a centrally governed pakistan, i mean afghanistan. afghanistan is not like iraq. give me one more second and i'll tell you what i think is going to happen in iraq. we'll probably go back to having one bloodthirsty tyrant to rule the country. that's the irony of iraq. >> happy days, wes. >> afghanistan is extraordinarily tribal. it's difficult to have a conversation about afghanistan. one story i loved was one of the things we did in afghanistan when i was working with the civil affairs team, giving out flags to children and local leaders. they would look at the flag and say what is this. you would have to explain, it's your country. there's another thing, i think you brought up a good point, joe. afghanistan is not iraq. you are right. there's a crucial player, though that factors in. that's iran. iran is not only very active and involved, but in addition to that, iran is part of the summit takes place in december between the leaders of pakistan, afghanistan and iran. iran is trying to show its hand in the larger conversation. how that plays out is going to have a
they will never be a centrally governed pakistan, i mean afghanistan. afghanistan is not like iraq. give me one more second and i'll tell you what i think is going to happen in iraq. we'll probably go back to having one bloodthirsty tyrant to rule the country. that's the irony of iraq. >> happy days, wes. >> afghanistan is extraordinarily tribal. it's difficult to have a conversation about afghanistan. one story i loved was one of the things we did in afghanistan when i was working...
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i have just read a really, really great book about afghanistan, so forgive me for talk about afghanistan. i've gone off on a tangent. >> another time. >> suddenly people started talking about politics again. they said, maybe paralleled with what we were trying to say there was an interesting subject. >> how much have the critics gotten to you over the years? >> i don't really care very much if i don't think the critics really understand music. >> somebody that you respect, what is the most hurtful kind of thing they could say that would really get to you? >> i guess somebody who i did respect as a musician said that the score was humdrum or something, then i would be sad if i believed in the score. there are always going to be occasions where i think with musical theater, and particularly i think what i do in musical theater, it gets a little bit curious because i fit between sort of two camps. clearly the worst composer in history for "hairspray." i would be the worst composer in history, though i haven't seen it, i'm sure, for "book of mormon." yet, on the other side of it, i am more o
i have just read a really, really great book about afghanistan, so forgive me for talk about afghanistan. i've gone off on a tangent. >> another time. >> suddenly people started talking about politics again. they said, maybe paralleled with what we were trying to say there was an interesting subject. >> how much have the critics gotten to you over the years? >> i don't really care very much if i don't think the critics really understand music. >> somebody that you...
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. >> rose: owednesday president obama will announce how many troo will bring home from afghanistan beginning next month. the announcement follows months of debate in the white house, it comes with increasing concern in the war andure role in the country. the administration fac a number of challenges at home. unemployment remains high at 9.1%. the housing market continues to suffer and the u.s. debt has surpassed 14 trillion dollars. all of this will pose a significant challenge for the president in the 2012 eltion. joining me now a group of comments from the new york time from washington david brooks, with me here in new york, david leonhardt, roger cohen and tom friedman. they have all won too many awards to talk about. mi pleased to have all of them on this program today to talk about america. what's the challenge for us? because wherever i go around the world the thing they say is tt we want america to take care of their business at home first, so that they can lead the world and pla an important part as the rest of the world changes. >> well, charlie, i think the world does understan tha
. >> rose: owednesday president obama will announce how many troo will bring home from afghanistan beginning next month. the announcement follows months of debate in the white house, it comes with increasing concern in the war andure role in the country. the administration fac a number of challenges at home. unemployment remains high at 9.1%. the housing market continues to suffer and the u.s. debt has surpassed 14 trillion dollars. all of this will pose a significant challenge for the...
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we can't expect america with all its economic and other problems and with afghanistan to pull our chestnuts out of the fire. >> rose: but on the question of nato, secretary gates suggested as much. >> rose: indeed. indeed. witness again, you know, a few weeks of military action on a very small scale in libya... >> rose: and all of a sudden... >> and we're running out of munitions and turning back to the united states as the land of last rest. but look, frankly, the military action in libya which i supported, reluctantly but i supported, i actually a sideshow. the big question is can you turn egypt which had been historically at the heart of islamic culture and scholarship into a model and a beacon for threst of the arab world in. >> rose: and your answer is likely? unlikely? too soon to tell? >> look, i mean, there's amaze pog ten nshl egypt and then a highly educated young people, a strong middle-class, a great sense of history and tradition. but it could all go pear shaped between armyn the one hand which is now proving an unam big rouse friend of liberal democracy and the muslim brotherh
we can't expect america with all its economic and other problems and with afghanistan to pull our chestnuts out of the fire. >> rose: but on the question of nato, secretary gates suggested as much. >> rose: indeed. indeed. witness again, you know, a few weeks of military action on a very small scale in libya... >> rose: and all of a sudden... >> and we're running out of munitions and turning back to the united states as the land of last rest. but look, frankly, the...
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the pentagon released the names of 17 soldiers and marines killed in iraq and afghanistan. somewhere in america, there's a doctor who can peer into the future. there's a nurse who can access in an instant every patient's past. and because the whole hospital's working together, there's a family who can breathe easy, right now. somewhere in america, we've already answered some of the nation's toughest healthcare questions. and the over 60,000 people of siemens are ready to do it again. siemens. answers. >>> that's it for our program today. thank you for watching and we'll see you next week. >>> in the news this sunday, the revealing new pictures in the bryan stow investigation. same-sex couples are getting married in new york. join us next for the news at navigating today's real estate market is complicated. you've seen the signs. that's why having the right real estate agent is more important than ever. at remax.com, you can find experts in short sales or bank-owned properties or commercial real estate, agents who can help speed up the process,
the pentagon released the names of 17 soldiers and marines killed in iraq and afghanistan. somewhere in america, there's a doctor who can peer into the future. there's a nurse who can access in an instant every patient's past. and because the whole hospital's working together, there's a family who can breathe easy, right now. somewhere in america, we've already answered some of the nation's toughest healthcare questions. and the over 60,000 people of siemens are ready to do it again. siemens....
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possibly count military spending in iraq and afghanistan. what they need to look at specifically is with the promise of doing tax reform in the fall through december what is the guaranteed tax reform gets done and there is new revenue. you eluded to it. republicans say if democrats don't keep up their end of the bargain we get rid of president obama's individual mandate. democrats say we get rid of the bush tax kults 250 or above. they're working on the trigger mechanism. it's going to take many differentists and turns. it's looking like wednesday is the closest thing we've heard all along in this process that a firm deadline needed to work out the compromise. >> luke, some exclosive issues in that mix. this is going to be a really interesting negotiation to follow. >> a long way to go, andrea. there's still a long way to go. next week's the real crunch time. we'll have a fun weekend. >> thank you, luke up up on the hill for us. senator kent conrad chairs the budget committee and is a member of the gang of six and joins me now senator, your
possibly count military spending in iraq and afghanistan. what they need to look at specifically is with the promise of doing tax reform in the fall through december what is the guaranteed tax reform gets done and there is new revenue. you eluded to it. republicans say if democrats don't keep up their end of the bargain we get rid of president obama's individual mandate. democrats say we get rid of the bush tax kults 250 or above. they're working on the trigger mechanism. it's going to take...
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remember writing in the early days of the "evita" run we hit the -- same time of the russian invasion of afghanistan which nobody understood what was going on. i'm going off on a tangent. it changed -- suddenly people started to talk about politics again and said well maybe eva peron and what we were trying to say there was an interesting subject. >> how much did the critics get to you over the years? >> i didn't care very much if i don't think that the critics understand music. >> but somebody you respect, what's the most hurtful kind of thing that they would say that would get to you. >> somebody who i did respect as a musician said that the score was humdrum or something then i would be sad if i believed in the score. there are always going to be occasions where i think with musical theater and particularly what i do in musical theater it gets a little bit curious because i fit between two camps. clearly i would be the worst composer in history for "hair spray." i would be the worse composer for "book of mormon." on the other side i'm more operatic but not that serious. >> broadway is making a lo
remember writing in the early days of the "evita" run we hit the -- same time of the russian invasion of afghanistan which nobody understood what was going on. i'm going off on a tangent. it changed -- suddenly people started to talk about politics again and said well maybe eva peron and what we were trying to say there was an interesting subject. >> how much did the critics get to you over the years? >> i didn't care very much if i don't think that the critics understand...